D.J.2007.04.20 [23:29]
... Сам (Милан) Ракић је наводио да му се "најлепши час у животу" догодио управо у том рату,на Газиместану.Причао је много касније својим пријатељима:
"...Оставио сам конзулат у коме више нисам имао шта да радим,па сам узео пушку...Дакле избисмо на само место Косовског боја.С' десне стране гудио је Лаб,пун нове снаге од јесење кише и журио да однесе велику вест.С' леве,на брежуљку,слегло се замишљено Муратово турбе...
Постројише нас.У пратњи штаба,појави се командант.
-Јунаци моји,знате ли како се ово место зове?
У збуњеном строју лупкарала је пушка о пушку,затезале се ремењаче.
-Овде,где ми стојимо сада,на Видовдан 1389. године,истог дана и истог сата,погинула су оба цара.То је Газиместан,на коме је Обилић...
Око мене попадали војници.Погледам:љубе земљу! ...
Danijela2007.04.19 [11:11]
Христос Васкрсе, браћо и сестре, и радост донесе!
Мислим да слика треба да буде овде jер jе ово поље натопљено и натапа се хришћнском крвљу. Ова слика треба да сећа на хришћанске знане и незнане мученике коjи су на овом месту дали живот за Христа. Ако могу да се постављаjу слике из других држава коjе нас подсећаjу на живот светаца са тих простора зашто онда да се не постави и ова фотографиjа. То jе моjе мишљење.
Ако може неко да преведе на енглески за сву браћу и сестре да не буде опет пребацивања за писање на српском пошто моjе познавање и писање енглеског ниjе бас на нивоу.
Збогом!
Lekovicl2007.04.19 [01:17]
е сад пасхалне стихире, певају Богослови, страва човече!!!
stevica2007.04.19 [01:14]
Неко као да слуша дечанце :-)) !!!!
Lekovicl2007.04.19 [01:09]
ух брале слажем се ...али ја бих дасе некаКо решимо те наше демократије а не радујем се баш ни прихватањуоне Еуропске усрећитељске :)))) ... ма не вреди много паметовати, биће како мора, Божја воља , а "ко претпри до краја тај ће се спасти" :))
Crna Gora2007.04.19 [01:04]
Mislio sam da ti posaljem mail, ali sam se predomislio, ovako je bolje da svi vide korespodenciju:
Laki covjece,
pa moja teorija i jeste da Demokratija nije izmisljena u Grckoj vec u Srbiji.
Mi najbolje tesemo ko u klin, ko u panj, ko u plocu, ko glavom kroz zid. A i ostalima pustamo da mlate kako god hoce, to nas malo i kosta (nekad malo, a nekad jako jako jako skupo - na pr Croatia)
Ali tako mi Boga cini mi se da smo mu samo tako blizi i drazi.
Овако како ја страдам страдаће и свако онај који крене путем мојим
Crna Gora2007.04.19 [00:56]
Е безбели јадни !!! ;-)))
Lekovicl2007.04.19 [00:49]
Igore nisam gledao ni odkle je slika ni o je uator amo sm hteo dapokažem da ov nije prva a koliko ja znam ove ljude ni poslednja....i da ako se insitira na pravilima ona treba da važe za sve ... ako se trenira stogoća na Srbima koji su galamdžije, koji ocenjuju slike kako koji hoće, koji ne brenuju da pišu na engleskom itd.. onda je to druga stvar...:))) sve u svemu nsiamo baš slatki ali možda nekim nije baš simpatično ni što se možda više od svih družimo i to nesamo medjusbno, što se organizuju vidjenja pa koliko ko može, što su jedno Srbi pravili izložbe ... Zavist je gadna bolest a i jadni oni ako nama zavide :))
Crna Gora2007.04.19 [00:41]
to Lazar: Hvala veliko za http://www.orthphoto.net/photo.php?id=10153 Taman si mi dao ideju pa sam ocijenio fotku. (provjeravao sam one fotke sto si ih navodio)
to mp: BRAVO TI GA BATKO, pravi si izdanak svojeg soja.
to forminsky: I would like to see "Russian photo of ground in Kulikovo Pole"
to jovana: svaka cast
Срб је Христов, радује се смрти!
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Васкрсења не бива без смрти.
Vladapop2007.04.19 [00:31]
For xml
This is Kosovo too.
http://www.orthphoto.net/photo.php?id=12327&id_jezyk=4
marina2007.04.19 [00:21]
КУД ГОД ДА КРЕНЕМ ТЕБИ СЕ ВРАЋАМ ПОНОВО
КО ДА МИ ОТМЕ ИЗ МОЈЕ ДУШЕ КОСОВО
mihaela2007.04.19 [00:08]
so, am I acting like a jew seeing holyness in Kosovo?
sorry, I don't think
Lekovicl2007.04.18 [23:33]
Marek you know that question of Kosovo and Metohija is open sore in this moment and that it is not just political ore teritorial question for us. We all know that politicians and world lauders decide to do what they want but until we have faith in our hurts and until we know what we are and what Kosovo is we didn't lost Kosovo, we didn't lost our spirit! Spirit of Tsar Lazar live and when we loose that spirit we will lost Kosovo not before that. We will loose everything when we admit in our hurts that Kosovo ad Metohija is not our, not when someone decide to take it!
If this photo is problem delete it but why it so important to delete this picture now? It was lot of similar pictures on site! I give you examples down there. Nobody dint make question about it but now because some reasons is important to delete this one!!! Ok do it! But be honest with your self and reconsider what is reason for that ! We are not schematics to make here revolution because of that, but maybe we should , maybe in this case somehow you and some other friends from site will have more understanding and sympathy ..... you know what we don't even need sympathy just try to be honest nothing more and take a look on links down there.
xml2007.04.18 [23:06]
Lazare and all the others. As you can propably noticed, i'm not marking every photo (it's useless). But i try to give marks only for photo and on this photo there is nothing really spiritual. I've made few photos from Gazimestan. I have them in my personal collection, but i don't think there is a place to publish them.
We all have our precious, holy places, our important history, but here we should share only photos, without any other ideology except ORTHODOXY. Sometimes i feel we act like Jews - they're so much connected with HOLY LAND that they are forgotten about GOD. They throw away GOD because His teaching wasn't compatibile with their expectation.
olja2007.04.18 [20:05]
"Човек који баца семе на њиву сиромаши у очима неразумног посматрача,јер испражњава житнице своје.Но рачун се не прави при сетви него при жетви..."Св.Николај Охридски и Жички-Царев завет-
Shorenochka2007.04.18 [19:48]
Treba moliti milostlivig Boga da Srbija ne izgubi ovu svetu za vas zemlju.
Lekovicl2007.04.18 [19:05]
fominsky maybe you can. :) If you do it I am sure that xml will not give you 2 for spirit and I am sure that Mp will not make any problem about it. Onlz if it is some "overhang minority" ore some "schismatic so call church" in Mexico who have something against it. In this case be careful....everything is possible :)))
fominsky2007.04.18 [18:32]
and??
Hmm, could I put landscape of San francisco because of St. John of San Francisco and Shanghai ???
stevica2007.04.18 [18:30]
Земљо славних витезова Лазара и Милоша!!!!
mikica2007.04.18 [18:10]
Saint Lazar the Great Martyr of Kosovo
fominsky2007.04.18 [18:04]
you want to say that I am 'mp' or something similary? Yes, I know him...
And what about xml? For me it is not important if somebody give bad mark or not...
Lekovicl2007.04.18 [17:53]
sometimes this places look very bad, I wish I can belived that it is without bad intention.
Lekovicl2007.04.18 [17:51]
yes Fominsky but you was silent all this time, xml didn’t give bad mark for spirit, and user "who knows who is he" with nick "MP" was quite too
zakgil2007.04.18 [17:17]
this discussion should stop now and the photo should be deleted, because there is already to much discussion about it.
mp2007.04.18 [17:06]
mihaela if Serbs were defending Orthodoxy they wouldn't lost Kosovo,their mission on Kosovo was wrong and if they were really living like christians Albanians would become orthodox too
fominsky2007.04.18 [16:55]
it is not against Serbs. NOT! I want to say, that this site is not for this kind of pictures without direct connection with Orthodoxy. Only this!
fominsky2007.04.18 [16:52]
I dont understand you, Mihaela.
I know what is happening in Kosovo & Metohija very well, but i dont think, that this photo is support. In orthphoto are big number of beautifull photos from KiM, with monasteries, churches..., but this photo hasn't direct connection with Orthohodxy and need to be deleted.
Every nation has martyrise places, but this web site is not to documentation history of nation, but about Orthodoxy
jovana2007.04.18 [16:51]
I have to say, that this field is sanctity. Like orthodox people, like Serbs we have to love this "peoce of haven" and to defend it. It's not exageration if we cray for our country, if we are loud when someone kill our children, if we sing songs about our crushed churches.
mihaela2007.04.18 [16:38]
yes, they are, but they are not in Irak to defend orthodoxy
mp2007.04.18 [16:35]
"BUT" there are orthodox people in Iraq too - what is happening in Iraq is happening right NOW! "BUT" they are not so loud as Serbs are and fominsky is not exagerating,he is just sick of exageration.
I didn't mean to insult anyone
nikolaj2007.04.18 [16:19]
Maybe I understod something wrong? I thought, it is a forum about Orthodox Christianity? But I see just a nice landscape!
mihaela2007.04.18 [16:01]
Dear brothers and sisters, Christ is risen!!!
we all have important places for our history, that have not church on it.
But... is a GREAT "BUT" - what is happening in Kosovo is happening right NOW! And there are martirised orthodox people in this moment, and what is this actually meaning? This is fight against Orthodoxy, so atacking Kosovo is atack on our orthodox faith, no matter what nation we are. I am sorry this is not understood. Any support is neccesery! Darko's photos come always to remind us this.
We can see is a beautiful land and it needs our support in prayer and anything else to remain orthodox land!
We should have here on orthphoto a domain for Kosovo, but we don't have possibility, so no hard feelings, please!!!!!!!!!!!
fominsky2007.04.18 [14:38]
I don't know, but i wrote only what I think. It is not because Serbian, it is because I don't see direct connection with Orthodoxy. I didn't see, for example, Russian photo of ground in Kulikovo Pole...
I think you are exagerating with this kind of accusations, I mean the philetism. I don't see anything wrong in seeing the history of own country interwined with the orthodoxy.
It is very orthodox to love your neighbor, your family, your country. It is un-orthodox when your love is limited to only this ones. We have to love all people. Even our enemies.
But I didn't see this mistake at Darko!
Dare2007.04.18 [14:24]
Могао бих да пронађем доста фотографија на овом сајту које немају баш тако искључив православни карактер, више су везане за традицију, али нису никоме сметале. Али, ако је у питању српска традиција, онда то одмах некоме смета. Зашто?
I could find on this site many photographs which don`t have exclusively ortodox charachter, and have more bounds with tradition but that did not troubled anybody. But if it is in question serbian tradition then someone have something against it. Why?
fominsky2007.04.18 [13:40]
I know what is Kosovo i Metohija, Kosovo polje, Gazimestan for Serbs, but I must say that when I read your words, I think about ethnophiletism...
Every nation have this kind of place, martyrological place, but orthphoto is not for nation, it about Ortodoxy!
stevica2007.04.18 [13:27]
Пропаст царства Српскога
Полетио соко тица сива
Од Светиње од Јерусалима,
И он носи тицу ластавицу.
То не био соко тица сива,
Веће био светитељ Илија;
Он не носи тице ластавице,
Веће књигу од Богородице,
Однесе је цару на Косово,
Спушта књигу цару на колено,
Сама књига цару беседила:
Царе Лазо, честито колено!
Коме ћеш се приволети царству?
Или волиш царству небескоме,
Или волиш царству земаљскоме?
Ако волиш царству земаљскоме,
Седлај коње, притежи колане,
Витезови сабље припасујте,
Па у Турке јуриш учините,
Сва ће Турска изгинути војска;
Ако л' волиш царству небескоме,
А ти сакрој на Косову цркву,
Не води јој темељ од мермера,
Већ од чисте свиле и скерлета,
Па причести и нареди војску;
Сва ће твоја изгинути војска,
Ти ћеш, кнеже, шњоме погинути.
А кад царе саслушао речи,
Мисли царе мисли свакојаке:
Мили Боже, што ћу и како ћу?
Коме ћу се приволети царству?
Да или ћу царству небескоме?
Да или ћу царству земаљскоме?
Ако ћу се приволети царству,
Приволети царству земаљскоме,
Земаљско је за малено царство,
А небеско у век и до века.
Цар воледе царству небескоме,
А него ли царству земаљскоме,
Па сакроји на Косову цркву,
Не води јој темељ од мермера,
Већ од чисте свиле и скерлета,
Па дозива Српског патријара
И дванаест велики владика,
Те причести и нареди војску.
Истом кнеже наредио војску,
На Косово ударише Турци.
Маче војску Богдан Јуже стари
С девет сина девет Југовића,
Како девет сиви соколова,
У сваког је девет иљад' војске,
А у Југа дванаест иљада,
Па се бише и секоше с Турци:
Седам паша бише и убише,
Кад осмога бити започеше,
Ал' погибе Богдан Јуже стари,
И изгибе девет Југовића,
Како девет сиви соколова,
И њиова сва изгибе војска.
Макош' војску три Мрњавчевића:
Бан Угљеша и војвода Гојко
И са њима Вукашине краље,
У свакога триест иљад' војске,
Па се бише и секоше с Турци:
Осам паша бише и убише,
Деветога бити започеше,
Погибоше два Мрњавчевића,
Бан Угљеша и војвода Гојко,
Вукашин је грдни рана доп'о,
Њега Турци с коњма прегазише;
И њиова сва изгибе војска.
Маче војску Ерцеже Степане,
У Ерцега млога силна војска,
Млога војска, шездесет иљада,
Те се бише и секоше с Турци:
Девет паша бише и убише,
Десетога бити започеше,
Ал' погибе Ерцеже Степане,
И његова сва изгибе војска.
Маче војску Српски кнез Лазаре,
У Лазе је силни Србаљ био,
Седамдесет и седам иљада,
Па разгоне по Косову Турке,
Не даду се ни гледати Турком,
Да камо ли бојак бити с Турци;
Тад' би Лаза надвладао Турке,
Бог убио Вука Бранковића!
Он издаде таста на Косову;
Тада Лазу надвладаше Турци,
И погибе Српски кнез Лазаре,
И његова сва изгибе војска,
Седамдесет и седам иљада;
Све је свето и честито било
И миломе Богу приступачно.
jovana2007.04.18 [12:56]
Идем, сејо, на Косово равно
За крст часни крвцу пролевати
И за веру с браћом погинути...
Не бих ти се јунак повратио
Ни из руке крсташ барјак дао
Да ми каже дружина остала
Гле кукавца Бошка Југовића
Он не смеде поћи на Косово
За крст часни крвцу пролевати...
Ја невера никад био нисам
Него сутра мислим на Косову
За 'ришћанску веру погинути...
Срб је Христов, радује се смрти!
Благо томе ко раније умре
О мање је муке и гријеха...
Да јуначки браћо погинемо
Рад слободе и рад отачаства...
Славно мрите кад мријет морате
Васкрсења не бива без смрти...
Благо томе ко се ту нагнао
Већ га ране не боле косовске
Већ Турчина ни за шта не криви.
Кад огрије на западу сунце
Тада ћу ти са Косова доћи.
jovana2007.04.18 [12:55]
”…Пре шест векова ништа се на глобусу није догодило значајније од боја на Косову Пољу.
И данас, после шест стотина Видовдана, за судбину србског народа ништа није пресудније од битке која траје на Косову и за Косово.
Исход Косовског боја још се не зна, како оног негдашњег, тако ни овог данашњег.
Од почетка претрајавају две стварности и две истине. И не уступају једна другој. Што време више одмиче, све се мање зна хоће ли нас онебесати или прогутати косовска рана.
Косово освањује сваког јутра. Сваки дан је једна годишњица и једна задушница. И данас се тамо као и на Видовдан 1389. види "ко је вера, а ко је невера".
Lekovicl2007.04.18 [12:46]
Saint Lazar the Great Martyr of Kosovo
Prince Lazar was born in 1329 in Prilepac to the aristocrat family Hrebeljanovic. His father Pribac was a Logotet-secretary doing very confidential work for King Dusan the Powerful in the royal palace. Young Lazar was raised in the palace, and was respected by the King who entrusted him with the rule of two parts of his kingdom: Srem and Macva. Lazar married Milica the daughter of an important aristocrat named Vratko also known as Yug Bogdan - a very wise and honorable man from the Nemanjic family. Lazar had three sons: Stevan, Vuk and Lazar and five daughters: Jelena, Mara, Despa, Vukosava and Mileva.
King Dusan the Powerful died unexpectantly in 1355 at the age of 48. This led to a weakening of Serbia's central government. Many dukes used this opportunity to secede from the Kingdom with the land that had been entrusted to them. The young son of Dusan Uros took over the throne and soon was killed. Vukasin Mrnjacevic proclaimed himself the King of Serbia. At this time, Turks were advancing toward the Kingdom of Serbia. In a battle on the river Marica in 1371, Vukasin was killed leaving behind him a weakened, poor and torn Serbia. Serbia was in desperate need of a gifted statesman, rich in virtue and deserving of God's Grace: a man similar to St.Sava and his father St. Stefan Nemanja who had founded the Serbian state. The Church recognized just such a man in Prince Lazar. His talent for leadership, wisdom and experience lifted him above those who would seize the throne by force and sought their own glory and importance.
Prince Lazar, first sought to consolidate and strengthen the Kingdom. As was the custom of that day and age, he married his daughters to the rebellious Serbian aristocrats. This enlarged and stabilized Serbia. Having thus secured the loyalty of dissident aristocrats, Prince Lazar turned to those countries which bordered his own, seeking to deepen Serbia's relationship with them.
At this time, the Serbian Orthodox Church was in a dispute with the Patriarch of Constantinople. King Dusan the Powerful wanted Serbia to have an independent Church. He single-handedly sought to elevate the Serbian archbishop to the level of a patriarch. The Patriarch of Constantinople utterly rejected this act and broke relations with the Church in Serbia. This was a very serious problem and one which King Lazar managed to solve by reconciling the Serbian Church and that of Constantinople. It was a result of this reconciliation that gave the Serbian Church its first canonical Patriarch.
The expansion of that Ottoman state, and increasingly frequent Turkish raids into his land, warned Prince Lazar that the time for a decisive battle was drawing near. Lengthy preparation on both sides preceded this confrontation. The fact that the armies were led by the Turkish ruler Murad 1 and by King Lazar of Serbia illustrates the importance of this battle. It was decided that the site of the battle would be a field in Kosovo (Kosovo Polje).
Prince Lazar knew that his chances against the Turkish aggressor were small and on the eve of the Battle of Kosovo he gathered his upper aristocracy and asked if they should fight for the Holy cross and Golden Freedom or surrender to their adversaries and live as slaves of the Muslims. They had to chose between the Heavenly Kingdom and earthly one. In the true spirit of Christianity they preferred to place their hope in Christ and Eternal Life. The Prince and all of this warriors took Holy communion and went into battle on Saint Vitus Day, Tuesday June 15th 1389.
In the beginning of the battle Serbian warriors were able to advance. Milos Obilic, the most famous hero of this Kosovo Battle, killed the Turkish King Murad. Despite this unexpected development, the Turkish army re-grouped and over ran the Serbs. They captured Prince Lazar alive, but beheaded him shortly thereafter.
Today his earthly remains are amazingly preserved intact and kept in the monastery Ravanica which was founded by him, along with many others churches and monasteries. The faithful gather from all Serbia just as they have through centuries to venerate his Holy relics and to get comfort and healing and to inspire them in the hope and belief that better days will come.
dragoj032007.04.18 [12:45]
Какво брисање слике, то не долази у обзир. Ово је света земља и треба да остане.
stevica2007.04.18 [12:40]
Мислим а не треба ни црква ни манастир, јер је цело ово поље тј. Кососво свето!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Мислим да србима не треба причати зашто је свето!!! И слику не треба обрисати!!!
Dare2007.04.18 [12:38]
This place have direct connection with Heaven. But, if you think that this photo is not suitable for this web site you can erase it.Greetings!
KAO ONDA,TAKO I SAD i UVIJEK:JESMO LI LJUDI!?