mihaela2009.09.29 [23:40]
Antonio, the saints that you mentioned and lived after year 1000 said also about Catholic church that is schismatic and also learned about its errors: Filioque, imaculata conceptia and others, that are great dogmatical errors! May all these saints that you mentioned help you to see the real True Faith!
Antonio B2009.09.29 [19:19]
True religion does not admit of fanaticism, true religion from love of others. In Church history we find a multitude of examples: St Athanasius the Great, St Gregory the Theologian, St John Chrysostom, St Maximus the Confessor, St John Damascene, St Gregory Palamas, St Mark of Ephesus, St Nicodemus of the Holy Mountain, St Nectarius of Egina, St Vladimir the Metropolitan (of Kiev), the many-millioned host of New Martyrs of Russia, Archbishop John (Maximovich), etc. etc. etc.
jovana2009.09.29 [19:05]
"Old" memers from this site knows that we had lot of discusion like this... And know I agree with Romanian brothers and sisters. Serbian Church like other churches doesn't accept Catholic church neather do Catholic baptising. Which means that we aren't brothers and sisters in Christ.
Antonio B2009.09.29 [19:02]
My prayer is not for them only, but for all who will have faith in me through their word; May they all be one! Even as you, Father, are in me and I am in you, so let them be in us, so that all men may come to have faith that you sent me, (Jn. 17, 20-21).
gabriel772009.09.29 [18:52]
@Meldelen: Usually I don't use this word because is hard to be accepted, but Adam asked me a question, I couldn't lie him, and I told the truth.
I respect all Spanish Catholic people, I respect their religion, but they are not my brothers in Christ.
ovidiu_m2009.09.29 [18:35]
I am very disappointed Adam. This picture is not for this site.
Meldelen2009.09.29 [18:15]
Gabriel: Catholics are NOT heretics. They are our brothers in Christ. I cannot believe my eyes when reading this horrible discussion. I live in a Catholic country -Spain- and what I've learned is that all can live in peace and celebrating our rites by respecting the rites of the others. I see this same spirit when I visited Greece. I am not going to discuss anymore this. Catholics are Christians and they have their sacraments as Orthodoxs have. All of them are the children of God. And may the Lord forgive us by our multiple sins!
gabriel772009.09.29 [17:40]
Sorry, but your example is irrelevant, doesn't demonstrate anything. Is just a particular case. I have also my own examples of orthodox priests that baptised again the men that were converted to orthdoxy from catholicism.
Antonio B2009.09.29 [17:34]
Dear Nicu, The English language is a problem for my. We can talk more quietly by e-mail.
Antonio B2009.09.29 [17:23]
Mi querido amigo, Perdona que escriba en español. Me gustaría hablar contigo sobre estos temas, pero tengo un problema con el inglés porque no lo comprendo bien ni me expreso bien. Espero que me puedas entender. Al levantarse las excomuniones, se aceptaron tal cómo eran con anterioridad al año 1054 y decidieron crear Comisiones de estudio para resolver las diferencias dogmáticas: Filioque, infalibilidad, etc.
Yo conozco un caso muy concreto: en Cataluña (España), dos sacerdotes católicos se pasaron a la Ortodoxia y no fueron ordenados como presbiteros nuevamente por un obispo ortodoxo. Actualmente, son sacerdotes ortodoxos que celebran la Divina Liturgia, administran los Santos Sacramentos, etc.
Sin embargo, entiendo que posiblemente en algunos paises del Este, no todas las Iglesias actuen igualmente. Perdona por escribirte en español. Sabes que siempre estaré a tu completa disposición.
gabriel772009.09.29 [17:03]
I have found that document using Google, I have read it, nowhere is told what you said. Is just fantasy. Catholics are not accepted to receive the Holy communion from Orthodox priests.
Antonio B2009.09.29 [16:51]
My dear friend and brother Cosmin Nicu: Joint Statement of His Holiness the Patriarch Athenagoras I and His Holiness the Pope Paul VI to the 7th of December 1965.
gabriel772009.09.29 [15:29]
@ Antonio you are amazing !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
That official declaration that you mentioned doesn't exists.
Antonio B2009.09.29 [14:34]
Dear gabriel77, I really don't know if you have been officially designed as guardian of the faith, but you should know that both Churches officially recognize the total validity of all sacraments, both Orthodox and Catholic. Maybe you do not agree with this, and I respect your opinion, but this is how the two Churches do it.
gabriel772009.09.29 [11:24]
Many Holy Fathers saids that "Filioque" is a heresy.
Adam Falkowski2009.09.29 [11:02]
Catholic = Heretics ???!!!
gabriel772009.09.29 [10:54]
@"Meldelen": Heretics doesn't have sacraments.
Meldelen2009.09.29 [09:56]
Mihaela: it's the same Body and the same Blood of Christ which are present both in Orthodox Divine Liturgy and Catholic Holy Mass!
I do not think this photo should be deleted! It's obvious that the icon is there permanently, since it has its own wooden mark in the altarpiece!
mihaela2009.09.28 [22:55]
Here is served catholic liturgy more times a week
http://www.czerwonagora.pl/index.php?id=5
this photo should be deleted! I suppose that icon is occasionally here, not permanently
Adam Falkowski2009.09.28 [14:10]
Ewo jeśli zajdziesz do kaplicy szpitalnej to zastaniesz to co jest na zdjęciu, w każdą niedzielę sprawowana jest liturgia i msza święta w której uczestniczy wiele osób z naszego regionu. Dziwi mnie to, że nikt z Bielska nie wypowiedział się dotąd na ten temat a jeszcze bardziej dziwi mnie to, że nazywasz to prowokacją. Pozdrawiam
evaphoto2009.09.28 [11:39]
ale żeś sprowokował sytuację...
Meldelen2009.09.19 [18:58]
In Palma of Mallorca (Spain) the Orthodox community goes to pray to a Catholic temple, and that does not implies any problem or rivality. Both Catholic and Orthodox faithful come to the same temple to celebrate their rites.
This photo was uploaded on purpose and with the totally conscious intention to provoke.
Yes, dear friend, Adam, it has been a very interesting discussion, indeed. You know how to to set a culture of discussion.
This is what orthphoto has become.
But, hush, we should be silent and just tolerate all this. We may insult the feeling of other confessions.. pst... Somebody may even delete their account!
Antonio B2009.09.16 [23:57]
En mi provincia, Huelva (España), trabajan más de cuatro mil rumanos y más de dos mil ucranianos. La mayoría son ortodoxos y cada quince dias, un sacerdote ortodoxo va a celebrar la Divina Liturgia. ¿Sabeis donde la celebra? En un templo católico. Hay un profundo respeto de unos a otros.
mihaifatusanu2009.09.16 [23:31]
for asmoktunowicz. Chatolic Christians are not my enemys!!!!!!!!! I just want to accentuate that we should not create an artificial unity without the agreement of God. But it seems that few persons see the danger. I hope that when we wake up and see the reality, will be not to late. I am sorry if I offended somebody!
mihaela2009.09.16 [23:03]
here is a photo made by me in Madrid
http://www.orthphoto.net/photo.php?id=15773
I cropped here above a huge catholic crucifix because here Romanian community rented a catholic chapel for Saturday and Sunday. But people put also icons here and make services. Having a catholic crucifix and also statues there, doesn't mean that they are ecumenists, etc, they just need a place to pray.
this is my opinion
mihaela2009.09.16 [22:56]
in English: It's is amazing that it is allowed for orthodox people to pray here, in this place and to have some orthodox icons, as orthodox community in Poland is so small, of 1,5% of populations, and it is very marginalized (at least as I know from people who were in Poland)
If this is a place for prayer doesn't mean necessarily that orthodox and catholics pray together. And what about Romanians from diaspora which are holding their services in protestant church in the spare day
Adam Falkowski2009.09.16 [22:55]
interesting discussion my friends :)
Holden2009.09.16 [22:52]
I think that mihaela makes a good point about this. I only believe that it offended people because in our day everyone has to be so alert for the heresy of Ecumenism that sometimes it is easy to jump to conclusions very quickly. Forgive me.
asmoktunowicz2009.09.16 [22:39]
to mihaela: could you please write this coment in english? I think some people will be happy about this. Thank you :)
mihaela2009.09.16 [22:31]
E de mirare ca sunt lasati si ortodocsii sa se roage aici si sa aiba icoane, pentru ca comunitatea de ortodocsi din Polonia este de 1,5% si sunt foarte marginalizati
Daca e un loc de rugaciune, nu cred ca inseamna neaparat ca se roaga impreuna. cum ramane cu romanii din strainatate care tin slujbe in biserici protestante in ziua libera?
asmoktunowicz2009.09.16 [22:01]
to Miladin Šuška and mihaifatusanu: can you explain why you give marks like spirit 1 ? Just because there is a sign of catholic religion? In this hospital were this picture was token are not only orthodox people who want to pray... And yes there are also catholic people who want to pray! And why can`t they pray together in one chapel? Please tell me a reason for your rection. And by the way: as your are true orthodox belivers you should know what God said: Love your enemys.
Antonio B2009.09.16 [20:58]
Otra vez el ecumenismo.
Jesús dijo: !Que todos sean uno, como Tu, Padre, estás en Mi y Yo en Ti, para que todo el mundo crea".
Holden2009.09.16 [15:59]
Obviously places of worship are limited in hospitals, and unfortunately there may be no specific area of Orthodox prayer. However like mihaifatusanu said, it should not be encouraged and Ecumenical areas like this are offensive to the Truth. Ecumenism is heresy!
gabriel772009.09.16 [15:06]
google translation:
Chapel of the Hospital. Raphael CZERWIAKOWSKI Podlaski Bielsko - a common place of worship of Catholics and Orthodox.
mihaifatusanu2009.09.16 [14:58]
we should not encourage worship places of both chatolics and orthodox. the unity of the Church will be when the Holy Trinity will unite us!!!!!!!!
Antonio, the saints that you mentioned and lived after year 1000 said also about Catholic church that is schismatic and also learned about its errors: Filioque, imaculata conceptia and others, that are great dogmatical errors! May all these saints that you mentioned help you to see the real True Faith!